"You're welcome to, if you think you can really get anything outta him." Raylan finally looks over, the subtle immovable mountain with his heels already comfortably dug in to how he was used to doing these kinds of things. He wasn't a child being brought to task.
"I'm asking you what you already know so I can confirm and skip over correct things or correct your record. I'm asking what context James gave you when you talked to him. Might as well start at the beginning of it all, right?"
"Mm," he sounds again, head bobbing slightly as he looks back out over the bluegrass field.
"Did you see Kiryu beatin' Izzy's ass on deck? If not that, I'm sure you heard about Roman's blatant share of the video of it over the network?" He nods again. "That's where it really starts. If Roman had left it there, he'd be fine. But instead, he finds Izzy and shows him the video. Worse than that, he made the apparently murder worthy sin of slinging an arm around Izzy and mockin' him. Izzy taught him a lesson, and then he pitched his steak knife at Roman as he was trying to get away. Cut him open three inches deep. Four inches long. I'd invite you to guess how I know but I'll save the time. Field stitchin' skin is harder than it looks, if I'm honest. Fourteen stitches. Still not sure if I was meant to put them closer together or further apart."
Raylan looks over, brows furrowed slightly. Surely Jedao knew how toxic masculinity worked, right? He would phrase it as 'the way some guys are' but that wouldn't be very helpful. Why did he need details.
"As I understand it, he reacted poorly, aggressively, tried to stab Roman's hand and missed. Roman ran, the breech happened and Izzy decided, coming out of that, to hurl his knife like a ninja star and caught him sidelong. He's a pirate, just like James is. They only react to being humiliated or being made powerless one way. Ironically for the same reason Roman didn't want to go to the infirmary - Pride - but I talked him into the infirmary after it all for actual pain killers and a look over. He's fine."
Everything he knows about toxic masculinity he learned from James, or his file, although he's farther along than Jedao One ever got in figuring that anti-Andan sentiment might have at least a few strokes in common with it.
He understands pride, though, and not showing weakness before the enemy, better than even James thinks he does.
He had to respect Roman's wishes - forcing the man got him very little traction. Roman shut down, resorted to his bullshit talk and, like an elephant, never forgot that kind of theft of agency. He'd take the rap for it too, if it meant not disassembling his friend and that trust to other people.
"Anyway. I had a.. lapse in temper and judgment. So yes, I took my bat and went to have a conversation with Izzy in a language he'd understand. We had it and he left. James only knew I was up to anything because of our necklaces." He pulled his out of his shirt, the black sitting proud on the bluegrey color of his shirt.
"Transmits a heartbeat and when we're in danger, that beat jacks up. My bat handle ended up under Izzy's jaw, his blade ended at my throat, and everyone's fine. I didn't know James was gonna make a post like that, or that his opinions were that.. particular about it."
"I didn't expect he had run it by you," Jedao says honestly, although he does think it's interesting, and not particularly heartening, to hear Raylan use the exact same phrase that James seemed to be stuck on.
"I'm not mad at you for him being upset, or any of what he's doing, or for being angry on Roman's behalf. But I am mad at you for being dumb about it."
"Bet you'd be madder if I'd shot him." Which was to say, Raylan did the bare minimum and not particularly effectively without that kind of action. "But I've already talked to Kiryu. Everythin's fine."
As he keeps saying, like that resolved everything neatly with a bow on top.
"What do you think about James's post, his suggestion about group voices in individual punishment?
Raylan's head tilts slightly, eyes narrowing slightly himself. He wasn't anywhere near defensive, but he feels he's handled the questions rather well so far. He wasn't an inmate, Jedao wasn't his Warden, nor his superior - why was he being questioned like those things weren't true?
"Why's that important to your uncomfortable conversation?"
Jedao stares at him for a moment, then drags a hand over his face, muttering with some feeling, "Fox and hound," in about the same tone that an American might say fucking christ.
Why is that important. He drops his hand and stares out at that startling supergiant-blue sky.
"Bluntly, I'm trying to figure out if you're a colleague I can work with, or an obstacle I have to work around. As far as I can tell, you wanted to either punish or intimidate someone you've told me only responds to insults to his pride with more violence. You decided to make it immediately and unquestionably a physical confrontation by bringing a weapon you couldn't even conceal. You did all this while knowing that he knows that you are bound by much stricter rules of engagement than he is - namely, that he can afford to kill you, but you can't afford to kill him. Which puts you at a startling disadvantage on the ground you chose."
He takes another deep breath.
"Now, if this was all a mistake of blunt, protective rage and you know it, then you're unreliable but at least understandable. If you thought it out and justified it to yourself and still think you had a chance of achieving something and you only failed in terms of professional courtesy, then - I guess I can stop bothering you."
"I gotta say, while I'm not surprised at the real question under there - 'Am I angry or stupid' - I'm a little disappointed in that characterization, like we didn't spend what, three and a half weeks?, giving James a double shadow. Or bringing him home after the Clipper and Galley slaughter. Would have thought I'd answered this question already."
He shifts, leg falling so he could reach into his back pocket and fetch his flask before he turns into the table, in to face Jedao a little more directly, body leaning into the chair back. Jedao didn't know it, but a Southern Porch wasn't just any old Familiar place - it was where shit was settled and sorted, where real talks were had, where that messy bit called life tended to happen.
"But we're overdue for a frank discussion anyway. We almost had one last time. So fine. Let me expand on all that for you. Yes, I used violence against someone I know responds with more violence because that's a very real language that he understands. Izzy doesn't want the trouble that comes with killin' me, and with a blade at my neck, I still woulda got him if I thought he had any intent of followin' through. He wasn't gonna kill me. And I didn't kill him. That's fair trade. So disadvantage? Not so much."
He spins open the top of his flask as he speaks, offering it out to Jedao first. If he didn't take it though, Raylan planned on taking a shot anyway, teeth bearing as he swallowed it down.
"My bat wasn't meant to be concealed. I only draw my gun when I mean to put a man down, and that's an escalation that no one needed. Even my temper tries to stay measured when it lashes out. Appropriate to the situation. And I'll take a lotta shit. But Izzy had already done too much, and we needed to have a conversation." It had to be, by design.
"I achieved what I needed to. Not my place to punish and you don't just intimidate a man like Izzy Hands. Life's been doin' that for a while. But to let him know there are repercussions that he is familiar with here when shits taken to far. Now, you're free to disagree with that. I'm sure Kiryu would join you and I admit that it wasn't the best choice I've made here in my year of servitude. But if all it takes is a bad emotional decision to put us back at square one, considering our situations, I'd prefer to know that sooner rather than later."
On the long and lengthening list of things Jedao is mad about, the alcohol is certainly the pettiest. Because he likes liquor - it's the only thing he's ever eaten or drunk that he actually liked - but sharing a cup is for comrades, so he has to decline. He shakes his head briskly, once.
"If it was one bad decision, we'd be fine. But you're not saying it was a bad emotional decision. You're saying you believe it was the correct decision, with imperfect execution. And now James thinks you're the fucking victim in all this."
"Which is somethin' I'll fix as soon as I talk to him. But no, I'm not sayin' that. Doesn't make it right but it's already done. You wanted an explanation and I achieved what me and my temper needed to. I'm not gonna fall over myself and breakdown into apologize to everyone who knows about it. I apologized to Kiryu. That's enough."
"I wish I believed you'll succeed." That Raylan will actually talk him out of his martyred mindset, which is only about 20% about Israel at all, as far as Jedao can tell. "I'd love to be wrong." But between James' stubbornness and how much Raylan actually agrees with him, Jedao doubts it.
"I don't want an apology. I want you to tell me you know it was a dumb thing to do. But either you don't believe that, or you sort of do but your ego won't let you say it, or you just don't want to say it to me because you think trying to hold my own temper is condescending to you, somehow. But the simplest explanation is the first. You keep saying all disappointed you thought I knew you better, like I'm not just believing what you tell me."
They weren't talking about Raylan's opinion on James's ideas; they were specifically talking about Raylan going after Izzy and no, he wasn't being as transparent and vulnerable with Jedao about his inner workings. Everything in his self protective system only pointed at that as proof as to why he was smart to do so. Those processes were a privileges, not a right.
"That sounds an awful lot like an apology to me. Prostration. It just doesn't bother me like it seems to bother you, or Kiryu, for a matter of fact. Especially since everyone is perfectly fine. I know this ain't the US legal system here, but neither of us have complained, so outside the fact that I've proven I'm willin' to admit when I was wrong, I'm not quite sure what the real issue is here. I haven't done a single questionable thing here-"
Outside of drunkenly fighting Sweeney a time or two. And the ethics around his relationship with James, but Jedao at least, couldn't pin him on that one. Not with Gonou in the picture.
"-For a year. A year," he continues, casualness slipping off in the sentence before, the rest chillier and firmer. "I had to sew Roman back together, talk his ass into the infirmary and then do something about it. The actual attack on Izzy ain't shit. He's an arrogant prick, asking for the same kinda lessons he's handing out. I didn't shove my bat into his throat because he stabbed Roman-" though that's why he was there, to threaten, to test the waters and reaction. "-I did it because for all his crowin' about people respecting other assholes, just like him, there's shit I don't take kindly to. He ran his mouth. My judgement lapsed."
Jedao has heard them say this is the only language he understands in almost the exact same words in the space of a few hours; it's not Raylan commenting on Flint's proposal, but it is the two of them sharing a very particular perspective.
Something in Jedao goes very quiet, and very still. He looks back at that bewildering terrestrial sky. It's so - flat isn't the word, exactly, compared to the depth of black. So opaque.
"My little brother was murdered three days ago," he says in a quiet, very even tone, almost contemplative. "I can't even tell him I love him, because he thinks emotions are weaknesses, we're just allies of convenience, whatever. But he's the only family I've ever had who wasn't an utter blood pyschopath. I have more memories from that breach than from my whole life before the barge. So he's my little brother to me. So please believe me when I say that I understand wanting to take someone's liver out with my teeth until they learn not to touch my people."
He wants that foxfucking drink.
"And I understand being frustrated with this place. I don't think this ended terribly - although I don't think it's actually ended yet. But I've told you I'm not holding James' threats against you, and I need to hold myself to that. I do think it was a gamble. I'll admit you had more knowledge of Mister Hands than anyone has on our newest asshole, but it was still a gamble. You didn't take the gun but that just means the choice to escalate fell to him, and you're lucky he didn't take the bait. Part of you, I think, wanted him to give you an excuse. Perhaps that's uncharitable. Even if it's true, I would hate to be judged on worst corners of my heart."
He turns and looks back at Raylan, held tilted. "Do you really not see any daylight between simply admitting a mistake and groveling to me? I've made so many worse mistakes. I hope not to make them again. Isn't that what we're all doing here?"
For all the subtle miscommunication between James's ideas posed in his post and the lanes where the Marshal agreed with him about the way of the world, the one thing that Jedao was right about without question was that last bit. It was part of how Raylan functioned in his job as a Marshal. He drew the lines and let other people cross them. It justified most any action he would take in response.
He wasn't going to argue or confirm that, either way.
"Not much when I've made that admittance and it hasn't been accepted because it wasn't straightforward enough for your tastes. Not when everything I am is apparently being held against it like this is going to define me for the rest of my years here and everythin' I've already done. This is not so much an uncomfortable conversation as one that has me feeling like I've been summoned to the Principal's office. I'm sorry about your brother-" Of course.
"-And I'm glad to hear you understand the urge. What I don't understand is why you're choosing to call me a colleague and then dressin' me down when you don't like the depth of information. The long and short of it Jedao, I don't have to explain myself to you and so far, you've given me no reason to explain myself anymore than I already have. Friends admit that they did dumb shit to each other. Colleagues don't, unless they're on good terms and I'm getting the very distinct sense that we are not." He lifts a hand, lazy fingers pointing slightly before they fall.
"What I will say is that I can apologize for getting James riled up. I understand that's a problem for you. But like I said, he didn't talk to me about those opinions, or blasting Kiryu or anything else that he said there. I couldn't stop him outside of not having done it to begin with and that's not a very productive to this whole conversation."
"If you don't admit your fuckups to your colleagues, I don't understand why they'd trust you. But I've never had colleagues in situations that weren't life and death. And I've never had friends, until I came here. Maybe I'm just doing it wrong. But I do value straightforwardness. I thought you did too."
Jedao wonders if Raylan even sees it, how much he clearly wants Jedao to grovel for the terrible crime of failing to manage Raylan's ego. It's enough dealing with Flint's, and he still has to talk to Kiryu, and probably Izzy after that. He's already so tired of Earth men.
"The terms we're on, Raylan, is that I did give you the benefit the benefit of the doubt. I came to get your side of it instead of making assumptions. We're certainly not on the terms where I feel confident in my ability to read your mind and best intentions. But according to you, letting you speak for yourself and not immediately agreeing is me not having enough faith in you. Me asking direct questions would have been that and me interrogating you like a suspect. Me being tired and blunt and worried is me not being trustworthy or friendly enough for you to explain shit to and summoning you to the principle's office. What exactly did you want me to do, Raylan?"
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Jedao lets himself drop into one of the chairs, eyes unblinking as they settle on Raylan again.
"James says you went after him with a bat."
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"Do you know the details of what Israel did to Roman?" Hell, Izzy was lucky Raylan didn't do more.
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James had something to say about that too, but, well. "Should I track him down instead?"
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"I'm asking you what you already know so I can confirm and skip over correct things or correct your record. I'm asking what context James gave you when you talked to him. Might as well start at the beginning of it all, right?"
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"I might. But I came to you first. As for James, he's told me precious little, all of it reactionary. I would prefer you not skip things, in fact."
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"Did you see Kiryu beatin' Izzy's ass on deck? If not that, I'm sure you heard about Roman's blatant share of the video of it over the network?" He nods again. "That's where it really starts. If Roman had left it there, he'd be fine. But instead, he finds Izzy and shows him the video. Worse than that, he made the apparently murder worthy sin of slinging an arm around Izzy and mockin' him. Izzy taught him a lesson, and then he pitched his steak knife at Roman as he was trying to get away. Cut him open three inches deep. Four inches long. I'd invite you to guess how I know but I'll save the time. Field stitchin' skin is harder than it looks, if I'm honest. Fourteen stitches. Still not sure if I was meant to put them closer together or further apart."
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He can infer, of course. But he wants specifics, not guesses.
"And Roman wanted to avoid the infirmary because...?"
Possibly it wasn't actually Roman's preference, but it seems like a less inflammatory way to phrase the question.
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"As I understand it, he reacted poorly, aggressively, tried to stab Roman's hand and missed. Roman ran, the breech happened and Izzy decided, coming out of that, to hurl his knife like a ninja star and caught him sidelong. He's a pirate, just like James is. They only react to being humiliated or being made powerless one way. Ironically for the same reason Roman didn't want to go to the infirmary - Pride - but I talked him into the infirmary after it all for actual pain killers and a look over. He's fine."
It's fine.
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He understands pride, though, and not showing weakness before the enemy, better than even James thinks he does.
"I'm glad to hear that," he says sincerely.
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"Anyway. I had a.. lapse in temper and judgment. So yes, I took my bat and went to have a conversation with Izzy in a language he'd understand. We had it and he left. James only knew I was up to anything because of our necklaces." He pulled his out of his shirt, the black sitting proud on the bluegrey color of his shirt.
"Transmits a heartbeat and when we're in danger, that beat jacks up. My bat handle ended up under Izzy's jaw, his blade ended at my throat, and everyone's fine. I didn't know James was gonna make a post like that, or that his opinions were that.. particular about it."
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"I'm not mad at you for him being upset, or any of what he's doing, or for being angry on Roman's behalf. But I am mad at you for being dumb about it."
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"Bet you'd be madder if I'd shot him." Which was to say, Raylan did the bare minimum and not particularly effectively without that kind of action. "But I've already talked to Kiryu. Everythin's fine."
As he keeps saying, like that resolved everything neatly with a bow on top.
"What do you think about James's post, his suggestion about group voices in individual punishment?
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“Why don’t you tell me what part you think was a lapse in judgement.”
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"Not talking to Kiryu about his inmate first." Some things were easier to admit than others. "But that's between me and him."
He looks over again, calmly waiting for either the next question or the answer to the one he'd asked.
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"What was your actual objective in that confrontation?"
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"Why's that important to your uncomfortable conversation?"
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Why is that important. He drops his hand and stares out at that startling supergiant-blue sky.
"Bluntly, I'm trying to figure out if you're a colleague I can work with, or an obstacle I have to work around. As far as I can tell, you wanted to either punish or intimidate someone you've told me only responds to insults to his pride with more violence. You decided to make it immediately and unquestionably a physical confrontation by bringing a weapon you couldn't even conceal. You did all this while knowing that he knows that you are bound by much stricter rules of engagement than he is - namely, that he can afford to kill you, but you can't afford to kill him. Which puts you at a startling disadvantage on the ground you chose."
He takes another deep breath.
"Now, if this was all a mistake of blunt, protective rage and you know it, then you're unreliable but at least understandable. If you thought it out and justified it to yourself and still think you had a chance of achieving something and you only failed in terms of professional courtesy, then - I guess I can stop bothering you."
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He shifts, leg falling so he could reach into his back pocket and fetch his flask before he turns into the table, in to face Jedao a little more directly, body leaning into the chair back. Jedao didn't know it, but a Southern Porch wasn't just any old Familiar place - it was where shit was settled and sorted, where real talks were had, where that messy bit called life tended to happen.
"But we're overdue for a frank discussion anyway. We almost had one last time. So fine. Let me expand on all that for you. Yes, I used violence against someone I know responds with more violence because that's a very real language that he understands. Izzy doesn't want the trouble that comes with killin' me, and with a blade at my neck, I still woulda got him if I thought he had any intent of followin' through. He wasn't gonna kill me. And I didn't kill him. That's fair trade. So disadvantage? Not so much."
He spins open the top of his flask as he speaks, offering it out to Jedao first. If he didn't take it though, Raylan planned on taking a shot anyway, teeth bearing as he swallowed it down.
"My bat wasn't meant to be concealed. I only draw my gun when I mean to put a man down, and that's an escalation that no one needed. Even my temper tries to stay measured when it lashes out. Appropriate to the situation. And I'll take a lotta shit. But Izzy had already done too much, and we needed to have a conversation." It had to be, by design.
"I achieved what I needed to. Not my place to punish and you don't just intimidate a man like Izzy Hands. Life's been doin' that for a while. But to let him know there are repercussions that he is familiar with here when shits taken to far. Now, you're free to disagree with that. I'm sure Kiryu would join you and I admit that it wasn't the best choice I've made here in my year of servitude. But if all it takes is a bad emotional decision to put us back at square one, considering our situations, I'd prefer to know that sooner rather than later."
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"If it was one bad decision, we'd be fine. But you're not saying it was a bad emotional decision. You're saying you believe it was the correct decision, with imperfect execution. And now James thinks you're the fucking victim in all this."
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Sure as shit not to Jedao, anyway.
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"I don't want an apology. I want you to tell me you know it was a dumb thing to do. But either you don't believe that, or you sort of do but your ego won't let you say it, or you just don't want to say it to me because you think trying to hold my own temper is condescending to you, somehow. But the simplest explanation is the first. You keep saying all disappointed you thought I knew you better, like I'm not just believing what you tell me."
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"That sounds an awful lot like an apology to me. Prostration. It just doesn't bother me like it seems to bother you, or Kiryu, for a matter of fact. Especially since everyone is perfectly fine. I know this ain't the US legal system here, but neither of us have complained, so outside the fact that I've proven I'm willin' to admit when I was wrong, I'm not quite sure what the real issue is here. I haven't done a single questionable thing here-"
Outside of drunkenly fighting Sweeney a time or two. And the ethics around his relationship with James, but Jedao at least, couldn't pin him on that one. Not with Gonou in the picture.
"-For a year. A year," he continues, casualness slipping off in the sentence before, the rest chillier and firmer. "I had to sew Roman back together, talk his ass into the infirmary and then do something about it. The actual attack on Izzy ain't shit. He's an arrogant prick, asking for the same kinda lessons he's handing out. I didn't shove my bat into his throat because he stabbed Roman-" though that's why he was there, to threaten, to test the waters and reaction. "-I did it because for all his crowin' about people respecting other assholes, just like him, there's shit I don't take kindly to. He ran his mouth. My judgement lapsed."
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Something in Jedao goes very quiet, and very still. He looks back at that bewildering terrestrial sky. It's so - flat isn't the word, exactly, compared to the depth of black. So opaque.
"My little brother was murdered three days ago," he says in a quiet, very even tone, almost contemplative. "I can't even tell him I love him, because he thinks emotions are weaknesses, we're just allies of convenience, whatever. But he's the only family I've ever had who wasn't an utter blood pyschopath. I have more memories from that breach than from my whole life before the barge. So he's my little brother to me. So please believe me when I say that I understand wanting to take someone's liver out with my teeth until they learn not to touch my people."
He wants that foxfucking drink.
"And I understand being frustrated with this place. I don't think this ended terribly - although I don't think it's actually ended yet. But I've told you I'm not holding James' threats against you, and I need to hold myself to that. I do think it was a gamble. I'll admit you had more knowledge of Mister Hands than anyone has on our newest asshole, but it was still a gamble. You didn't take the gun but that just means the choice to escalate fell to him, and you're lucky he didn't take the bait. Part of you, I think, wanted him to give you an excuse. Perhaps that's uncharitable. Even if it's true, I would hate to be judged on worst corners of my heart."
He turns and looks back at Raylan, held tilted. "Do you really not see any daylight between simply admitting a mistake and groveling to me? I've made so many worse mistakes. I hope not to make them again. Isn't that what we're all doing here?"
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He wasn't going to argue or confirm that, either way.
"Not much when I've made that admittance and it hasn't been accepted because it wasn't straightforward enough for your tastes. Not when everything I am is apparently being held against it like this is going to define me for the rest of my years here and everythin' I've already done. This is not so much an uncomfortable conversation as one that has me feeling like I've been summoned to the Principal's office. I'm sorry about your brother-" Of course.
"-And I'm glad to hear you understand the urge. What I don't understand is why you're choosing to call me a colleague and then dressin' me down when you don't like the depth of information. The long and short of it Jedao, I don't have to explain myself to you and so far, you've given me no reason to explain myself anymore than I already have. Friends admit that they did dumb shit to each other. Colleagues don't, unless they're on good terms and I'm getting the very distinct sense that we are not." He lifts a hand, lazy fingers pointing slightly before they fall.
"What I will say is that I can apologize for getting James riled up. I understand that's a problem for you. But like I said, he didn't talk to me about those opinions, or blasting Kiryu or anything else that he said there. I couldn't stop him outside of not having done it to begin with and that's not a very productive to this whole conversation."
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Jedao wonders if Raylan even sees it, how much he clearly wants Jedao to grovel for the terrible crime of failing to manage Raylan's ego. It's enough dealing with Flint's, and he still has to talk to Kiryu, and probably Izzy after that. He's already so tired of Earth men.
"The terms we're on, Raylan, is that I did give you the benefit the benefit of the doubt. I came to get your side of it instead of making assumptions. We're certainly not on the terms where I feel confident in my ability to read your mind and best intentions. But according to you, letting you speak for yourself and not immediately agreeing is me not having enough faith in you. Me asking direct questions would have been that and me interrogating you like a suspect. Me being tired and blunt and worried is me not being trustworthy or friendly enough for you to explain shit to and summoning you to the principle's office. What exactly did you want me to do, Raylan?"
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